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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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worldwide phenomenon

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast the breaking news podcast

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covering the uap congressional hearings

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that happened the 17th of may 2022 hot

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off the press um fresh from

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a live stream of it making notes

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discussion dan is with me dan hello

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my eyes burn from the screen andy

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i can imagine

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the goggles they do nothing to quote the

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simpsons nice

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yeah that's a good reference straight

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off the bat listen this we're going to

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tell you straight from the off um it

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only happened four or five hours ago i i

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was working so missed the first sort of

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i've not had a chance to go back and

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watch but i've just been catching up

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with dan and i was tweeting all day and

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stuff as well um but i did manage to

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as it's after it's happened and of

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course later in the week i think we're

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on some bits and pieces of news and as

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things continue to come out from the

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congressional hearings today then we can

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kind of share some more rounded thoughts

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but these are very much our instant

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reactions then fair to say yeah

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absolutely it's uh you know it's it's

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fresh uh things are still falling into

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place there are articles being published

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by journalists as we speak uh this is

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kind of set in the world on fire a

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little bit it's it's very cool it's

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fresh and steamy like a hot pile of

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organic matter that's fallen from a

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craft that we don't know what it is

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dad at some point i'll i will put it to

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one of the landscape yeah oh god um but

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yeah i mean you know what it was almost

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a quote we got from one of the

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congressmen actually uh during the

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hearings and i put up a quick poll

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yesterday asking people did they think

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we would hear like the word

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extraterrestrial you know e.t that kind

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of stuff and most folk were like no and

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i didn't expect to either but

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we got wreckage we got you know et

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we got life potentially traveling here

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from other places

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i i was blown away by the rea the

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language the terminology the body

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language the officials were pretty

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informed right like

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those testifying but certainly those

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asking the questions i was i was

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impressed i feel like they'd either you

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had the ear of someone who could guide

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them uh you know maybe some of their

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constituents or you know they've just

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done their research i mean impressed

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it's no secret that lou elizondo was in

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washington a few days ago his picture

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twitter and stuff and you would imagine

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would have hopefully helped shape and

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democrats who have an interest in this

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on the pilots that were there just being

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that briefings have been ongoing um for

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a while now uh even behind closed doors

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um in 2019 uh that you know just there's

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think the the circle of people who kind

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or are getting to know the history of

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this subject is steadily growing

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the two gentlemen in question being

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whatever it was today it were uh johnny

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depp and amber heard oh wait sorry no

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that's the that's the cork yeah that's

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that ronald miltray the right honourable

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and uh mr scott bray the ronald miltray

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is the under secretary of defense

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is that the exact same title that chris

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familiar doesn't it yeah i'm pretty sure

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it is unless there is a little bit more

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intelligence or something but it may or

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may not be his you know predecessor

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predecessor predecessor as such but

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deputy assistant to the secretary of

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defense so different different title it

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assistant to the manager okay i'm sure

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pension position to be in

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of naval intelligence which again

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is a pretty lofty role to be to be in i

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directness of the questions and the

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fair play like they got accused of

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hitting a bunch of low-hanging fruit or

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listening to mark zuckerberg say a bunch

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these guys really went for it

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they were well metaversed in what they

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i'm going to stop with the puns uh so

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sega theme tune in your head so yeah

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based on that a new name is probably

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case or something they can now go but

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it on video you know um and then yeah if

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the work isn't me and then they can

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follow up with legislation to make them

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straight away which i didn't catch full

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that first portion of the the the

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hearings but what i did manage to check

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time was that jeremy corbell was

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mentioned straight away dan is that is

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that right yeah that's right uh with

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allusions to kind of uh data that kind

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of seeped out of the cracks of the

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office um and and how to secure that

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data they they actually brought in

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cobell's uh you know that triangle green

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uh robert uh sorry i need to

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all these names yeah scott bray

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and then he said we couldn't explain

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this one but actually there was another

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looks exactly the same pretty much it's

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a triangle um and the explanation was

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that the night vision goggles with an

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slr held to it just meant that it was

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making this shape when it hit the sensor

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that's a reasonable explanation uh i

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don't think it's a bad thing that these

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cases are sometimes solved i don't know

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i prefer a solved case instead of a pile

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of unknowns you know

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and like you see something important to

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point out there for anyone who's

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disappointed that someone like mick west

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was correct mick west said the the

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triangular object was a distant plane

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and that wasn't correct either no it's a

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drone

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exactly so you you can't yeah

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neither was right the truth as always

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was somewhere in between it's still

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technically an unidentified flying

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object am i right dan yeah uh i i think

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they would use the term uas for

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unidentified aerial system in that case

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because you know it's not anomalous they

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know it's a genuine human-made system

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so were they kinda getting again i

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missed this point were they kinda

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getting at the fact this was more than

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likely adversarial technology that was

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spying on them yes exactly or they they

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kind of i don't think they said that

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exactly but they certainly said it was a

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commercially available drone

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okay that's that's fair um so yeah um

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and then it moved on then what else did

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i miss in that kind of first section

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that was worth calling out yeah sure so

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they they firstly framed the whole

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hearing as a national security issue

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which we thought they would say yeah

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yeah that's kind of been a long-running

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theme now and and they want their sky

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secured and you know the people safe and

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then

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yeah i think that's fair

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there were a whole bunch of uh

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conversations that

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were basically the uap report being read

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out loud um with it with a few

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assurances so i won't go over that stuff

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um you know they define that uap just

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means enable an object that when

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encounters can't be immediately

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identified um they did say they were

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committed to determining the origins of

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the uap which is exciting that's a

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really good thing um

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they also said that they want to provide

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real time support for everybody so if

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they got a report of someone that saw a

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uap maybe two minutes ago they'd be able

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to you know activate and go go uh look

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at the satellite data and so on so forth

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whether the office is prepared to do

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that um or even has it in its remit is

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it another conversation entirely i would

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i would find that difficult still though

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because at one point well we'll jump

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about a little bit with this i think we

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kind of have to just with the nature of

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it yeah yeah

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they mention about this

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are we not chasing our own tails that

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they call it blue on blue or us on us

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technology friendly fire yeah no doubt

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at times that can happen regardless of

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you know the conversations we've had

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with people who are like no the us would

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not have its own technology amongst its

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own well

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i think there are examples of that kind

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of stuff potentially happening in the

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past

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but

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you've

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when it comes to that us on u.s

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technology if there was something that

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even uh private industry or trying to

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work this carefully someone like

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lockheed martin you know was testing

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something

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if there was an instant response

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is that enough time for someone testing

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something to get out to someone else

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that

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don't do anything because this is ours

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but you're not meant to know that you're

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not meant to see it or not meant to

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engage us

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am i making my point that badly but

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yeah no i get what you mean um

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there was a question asked at some point

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in the hearing whether we'd fired upon a

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uap you would you would expect them to

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defend themselves against you and if

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that was secret tech they would have

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shot it down right um instead they

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haven't they've sat and they've watched

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and they've absorbed as much data as

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they can we can't see that data but we

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know it's there and then you know from

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the nimitz one missing um

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but yeah if that if that was secret tech

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they would i mean they said during this

387
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that they can't talk about it really in

388
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the open hearings but they said we've

389
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made the connections with the relevant

390
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places to to do that um

391
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and still these things are unexplained

392
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yeah and to be specific uh 18 cases

393
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basically show anomalous fly

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characteristics no

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apparent means of propulsion um and

396
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signature management

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and those 18 cases is something that

398
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never came up too often in the second

399
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half

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tell us a little bit more about those 18

401
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cases then as to why those came up what

402
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were the 18 cases and i don't even know

403
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if this did come up i'm sort of asking

404
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this as an interested viewer

405
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were those 18 cases part of the 143 that

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were unsolved

407
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uh yes basically uh it was

408
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schiff getting at um in the 2021 report

409
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um that there were a bunch of cases that

410
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were labeled as potentially advanced

411
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tech there was 18 of them and he was

412
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basically asking if there was crossover

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between

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those cases and the cases that they said

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showed an uh a radio frequency signature

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signature

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so they basically said yes there are

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some crossovers there um and it kind of

419
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moved on from there really um they can't

420
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say much about it because they're

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they're kind of you know those 18 cases

422
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they said we're most interested in those

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because they represent either some

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exotic leap by an adversary or something

425
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else um so we've got to figure these out

426
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but as the hearing went on they they

427
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spoke about some of these

428
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these unknown or unsolved cases in a way

429
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that suggested that

430
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literally it's just unsolved but it will

431
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be

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however when they were talking about

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these 18

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they they really kind of the questions

435
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highlighted that these 18 are true

436
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anomalies and they've really tried and

437
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they've thrown everything they can of

438
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these i'm guessing that's the one

439
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it's not just being a picture or one

440
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data point or a sighting it's been

441
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multiple data points probably multiple

442
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cameras yes sensors under water

443
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three three at least when they say

444
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multi-sensor they specified that they

445
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mean three uh sensor systems including

446
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you know the set of human eyes that are

447
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there yeah so that's that's pretty

448
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interesting stuff and that's the stuff

449
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that we really really want to see

450
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uh but don't get to see unfortunately

451
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they did say that they never attempted

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communication as well uh which i thought

453
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was interesting considering they said

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that they detected rf for us a radio

455
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frequency burst would suggest that we

456
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were trying to communicate uh it's

457
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really strange that they didn't try and

458
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either read it or talk back

459
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yeah and i was making this point to you

460
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it wasn't i beforehand when i heard that

461
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i thought that was really strange

462
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because

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if you were encountering something that

464
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was potentially unmanned craft or was

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piloted or unmanned but you could

466
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communicate with why wouldn't you put

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out a basic and someone from the

468
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military might be able to tell me why

469
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you know hi

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us navy on training here or i'm a pilot

471
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doing x y and z can you identify

472
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yourself you would think in the basics

473
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they would at least try but like they

474
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said they were very much like nope

475
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nothing they just didn't they just

476
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didn't say anything and it's weird

477
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especially considering that they

478
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literally in this portion talking about

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these 18 they literally say we are not

480
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aware of any adversary that can move an

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object without a discernible means of

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propulsion

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i mean it's a woody statement but it

484
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means no it's not china or russia that's

485
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the simple translation of that

486
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absolutely um scott bray was asked about

487
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civilian reporting

488
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and uh which was nice to hear that it

489
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moved away slightly from the military

490
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aspect of it

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and he gave a nice fluffy answer about

492
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we've got a great relationship with faa

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and he tried to go off on a little bit

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of a tangent and he was then asked very

495
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directly again i'm asking you do we have

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you know civilian reports on these

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things as well and i felt this was one

498
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of the times i noticed him starting to

499
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really struggle and trip up and he was

500
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like yes we do get reports

501
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and i think that the response back if

502
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you could

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remind me who it was from dan if you if

504
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you've got a note of that

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it's quite a sharp response back which

506
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is very much uh well wouldn't it make

507
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sense to have a standardized report then

508
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that we can all

509
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basically get the information we need

510
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from to move forward

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let me find out my notes

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uh

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that

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possibly

515
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either way it was said back in it but it

516
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was quite quite damning quite direct

517
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which which i liked and it was it was

518
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kind of makes you sit up and take notice

519
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i didn't set up i was doing the dishes

520
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at the time as well when truck

521
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went up cool yeah yeah

522
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we we were all they were also talking

523
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about you know sharing data with allies

524
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and how much data you should share

525
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because of the quality of the data um

526
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and and

527
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saying that they have to be cautious

528
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when trusting data that's brought in

529
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from outside but i think in an age where

530
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the planets bathed in you know all sorts

531
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of frequencies detecting whether it's

532
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taking a heat image of the ground or

533
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looking at neutrinos or whatever

534
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:16,960
there are a lot of sensors around us

535
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:20,480
that you know if andy saw uh if you saw

536
00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:23,120
a ufo there would probably be enough

537
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sensors around in the sky at any given

538
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time to actually get some corroborative

539
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readings

540
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absolutely i'm glad you said

541
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corroborative not me

542
00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:35,760
jim heinz asks scott bray to clarify a

543
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little bit on when he talks about uap

544
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just being something unidentified in the

545
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sky

546
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he or or be having something truly

547
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anomalous or unidentified

548
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he says that ranges doesn't it from

549
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saying something through a foggy murky

550
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night and i'm paraphrasing two the

551
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extreme of organic materials that we

552
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don't know where they're from

553
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which i thought was quite a contrast and

554
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juxtaposition and i was like wow that's

555
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interesting because he is kind of

556
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getting at potential meta materials yeah

557
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:04,720
that's quite a leap

558
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:07,440
and and possibly a biological component

559
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:09,039
as well whether that's

560
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:11,520
how it affects us or

561
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:14,000
the occupants of the craft maybe but

562
00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:15,840
again just that language being present

563
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:17,600
in this hearing made me excited because

564
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:18,960
they're asking the questions that we

565
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:20,960
want them to ask you know yeah it kept

566
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:22,880
going and you know what ronald miltray

567
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:26,160
made a um a fair point where he said the

568
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,840
the issues they face i think he

569
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:29,600
interjected at one point to can i help

570
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,039
scotbury out a little bit the way it

571
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:33,360
kind of came across to me and that this

572
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:36,559
is largely an issue of insufficient data

573
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:39,360
for many of these unresolved cases and i

574
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,799
think he mentions at that point or at

575
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:42,720
least one point that you know because of

576
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,559
the funding they have they get the

577
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:46,799
results they have because of a lack of

578
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:49,360
funding and resources etc etc maybe

579
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:50,880
asking for extra money which no doubt

580
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:53,280
they would want and probably will get

581
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:56,000
but i think it is a fair point that

582
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:58,000
maybe we do have to look at they're not

583
00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:00,000
completely lying about everything and

584
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:01,520
hiding everything

585
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,679
but a lot of these things maybe are

586
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,480
still unidentified because of

587
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:08,000
a lack of data

588
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:09,760
we almost need like

589
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:12,080
you know they had the other pile we

590
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:14,000
almost need to separate that pile again

591
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,679
into this is the stuff that we just

592
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:17,280
don't have enough data to solve and this

593
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:20,080
is the stuff that we know is just weird

594
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:21,200
you know

595
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:22,640
and i think that's the stuff that and

596
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:24,080
we'll get to it that chris mellon and

597
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:25,760
tim butch and others were frustrated

598
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,159
about afterwards that these guys will

599
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,799
have heard about and seen that stuff

600
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,120
that we can only speculate about so

601
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,440
they're looking going no no no not that

602
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:37,919
video not that one don't ask that

603
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,600
question you know what you should be

604
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:41,679
asking you know what we've got

605
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:43,760
but the gentleman in question being

606
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:46,000
questioned also know what they can avoid

607
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,520
yes because it's not going to be brought

608
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:49,360
up and we do have the caveat we never

609
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,360
mentioned before the session lasted

610
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:53,039
about 90 minutes about an hour and a

611
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:53,840
half

612
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:56,080
there was then a recess till 12 pm

613
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,000
eastern and then there was going to be

614
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:00,400
the the classified portion which the

615
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:02,080
public obviously don't get to see in

616
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,760
here which no doubt there would have

617
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,200
been some follow-ups because there were

618
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,760
a few questions asked that are prefaced

619
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,000
or given a bit of context that you might

620
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,000
not be able to answer and i understand

621
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,760
because there is a classified section

622
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:16,159
coming up however and they try and talk

623
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,440
around that

624
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:19,679
so that the underwater stuff was part of

625
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,000
that yeah that system of microphones is

626
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:24,159
so secretive um

627
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,520
and i'm talking to someone this week

628
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:27,360
that actually will be able to speak to

629
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,880
how sound kind of moves differently

630
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,799
through different layers of the ocean uh

631
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:32,640
so it'll be interesting to learn about

632
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:33,520
that

633
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:36,960
away too much but just remind people

634
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,200
you're recording tomorrow night as we

635
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:41,360
discuss this

636
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,640
uh yeah i guess so uh or maybe maybe the

637
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,640
day after um but yeah i'll be conducting

638
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,440
my first interview uh for my own little

639
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,440
show called coloring outside the line so

640
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:53,360
keep an eye out for that soon uh it'll

641
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,480
be through this channel so you don't

642
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:56,320
have to go anywhere to hear it uh i hope

643
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,360
you don't mind us doing something a

644
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:59,440
little different that is is still

645
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:01,679
relevant to the subject

646
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:04,240
i suggest you don't listen um

647
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,679
no it'll be good i'm looking forward to

648
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:07,440
hearing that myself as well folks but

649
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,720
yeah just just to get that in there i

650
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:10,559
think it's worth mentioning um but but

651
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:12,240
you're right it's a nice little segue

652
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,520
into that as well when you talk about

653
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:15,600
those underwater sensors and microphones

654
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,320
and

655
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,240
like when i asked lou a couple of weeks

656
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,400
ago on our interview luella's ondo folks

657
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:22,320
apologies lou um

658
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,200
about why these uap seem to travel

659
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,360
slower underwater and he actually

660
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,039
suggested that's more than likely due to

661
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,880
the abilities of the equipment we have

662
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:33,200
can only track a certain speed and they

663
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,080
probably go far far far faster as has

664
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,919
been picked up as well so we we have a

665
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,840
similar issue with them coming from 78

666
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:41,360
000 feet right that's just the height of

667
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,720
the radar it doesn't mean they're coming

668
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,320
from 78 000 feet they're coming from

669
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:46,080
outside of that um

670
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:47,120
who knows they might just know that

671
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,559
that's our range and know that they can

672
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:50,000
pop in any way they want outside of that

673
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:51,679
and we will infer that they came from

674
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,559
space

675
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:54,080
you get an image of their head on your

676
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:55,520
head don't you with a tic tac just

677
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,720
sitting at eighty thousand feet in

678
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:57,919
english

679
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,320
as opposed to they could have come from

680
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,720
way way way out in space and just went

681
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,880
zoo and just kept going and then stopped

682
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,880
which should be even more impressive

683
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,440
yeah it would be very changing to see

684
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:11,360
could have came from the moon and done

685
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,559
that they could have came from the other

686
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,640
side of the planet and done that they

687
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,080
could have been in the water and one

688
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:17,840
side of catalina had gone up and then

689
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:20,720
came back down yeah absolutely who knows

690
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,840
i'm just covering all the bases

691
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:23,520
therefore it's not giving anything away

692
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,120
but yeah so it was really interesting

693
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,280
that was mentioned um

694
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,679
where else what have we got we we found

695
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:31,679
out that they they do not know about the

696
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,880
icbm events like malmstrom which

697
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:36,880
befuddled a lot of people because there

698
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,600
is official documentation on these yeah

699
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,679
this is being called out right i already

700
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,919
have that um you know i think everyone

701
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,600
was shocked when they said that uh but

702
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,039
at least it's been brought to their

703
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,600
attention and gallagher literally said

704
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,120
well i'm asking you guys to look at it

705
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,880
now so will you and they said yes so

706
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:54,320
hopefully in the next hearing or in the

707
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,679
future we learn a little bit more about

708
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,600
malmstrom um

709
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,440
though probably not likely considering

710
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,520
that there's a nuclear relation there

711
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,279
yeah i felt mike gallagher made himself

712
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:04,960
a bit of an instant star and hero here

713
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,200
to me he was great yeah he asked about

714
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,200
the strategic nuclear sites like you say

715
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,360
um scott bray said that the data is not

716
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,279
within the holdings of the uap task

717
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,960
force and again i thought he'll struggle

718
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,480
to answer here

719
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,400
he says that informal stories have been

720
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,880
heard um he says he's not seen official

721
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,360
data he's asked about maelstrom um i

722
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:24,960
thought the terminology used was

723
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:28,240
important um

724
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,919
gallagher got a bit fiery he was just

725
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,520
like he did like come on it's pretty

726
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:33,120
high profile it's out there in ether if

727
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:34,320
you're not looking alright you're the

728
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,080
guys that are meant to look right who is

729
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,559
you know was it not also gallagher that

730
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:40,080
made the comment when he was asking i've

731
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,919
not been asked and he said well i'm

732
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,240
asking you yes exactly i like i like

733
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,559
that one but it's like oh yes i i'm

734
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:48,400
asking you two bosses

735
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,520
100

736
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:51,760
um he had also just before that asked

737
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:54,880
about had about any projects before or

738
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,440
between project blue book and atip

739
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:59,760
and moultrie comes in and says he's not

740
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:02,000
aware of anything official and this was

741
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,440
just one of those i thought the language

742
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:06,240
was very careful yes and i won and i

743
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:07,679
think at that point the interviewer and

744
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,039
me was going yeah ask him about

745
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:11,600
unofficial however they can't talk about

746
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,559
that in a declassified public setting

747
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,400
i would hope that is something that is

748
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,000
followed up within the classified

749
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:19,919
section where they go so we previously

750
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:22,240
asked you this and you said you had

751
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,200
nothing official off unofficial off the

752
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,120
books what have you heard about and

753
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,559
what's being dealt and i think that

754
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,919
would be really really interesting to

755
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,840
hear absolutely and and speaking about

756
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,679
like unofficial and off the books we

757
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:35,760
even had the wilson documents brought up

758
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:36,559
that

759
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:40,640
surprise of the hearings because the

760
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:46,149
famous eric wilson yeah um

761
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,520
yeah the wilson documents if people

762
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,360
don't know they're just a series of

763
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:51,760
notes on a meeting that supposedly took

764
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,440
place um between one eric davis and and

765
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,440
uh someone else they're out there to

766
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,000
read uh admiral wilson you know yeah

767
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,480
admiral wilson um yeah they're out there

768
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,080
to read if you want to in terms of the

769
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,760
veracity of them there's a lot of debate

770
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:08,320
around them so so i really don't know um

771
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,440
but i

772
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,520
came out i have to point people to joe

773
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:13,120
murgia i interviewed joe morgan we

774
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,799
talked about these as well but if you

775
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,200
check out joe margie's blog his tweets

776
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,200
he talks about the wilson docks every

777
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,360
other day and it's very much worth

778
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,880
jumping on there to look at his

779
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,720
extensive kind of research into those as

780
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,279
well yeah joe margie is very one-sided

781
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,760
on those that they 100 happened exactly

782
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,240
as is written there's no decision for

783
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,159
anything along with it and i'm not

784
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,159
saying i disagree with that but

785
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,400
joe will present one side of it it's

786
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,640
very well researched though and uh it's

787
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,960
a very good take on on those documents

788
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,720
if you want to find out about them just

789
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,559
to give the other side of it as well um

790
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,840
the the other theory that goes around

791
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:50,400
about it is a somewhat absurd claim

792
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,679
there it could be a movie script written

793
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,080
by someone now i i think john green will

794
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,000
when he says that is just saying it as

795
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,919
an example to kind of go look we don't

796
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,760
have proof either way so my theory is

797
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,840
just as valid as yours which is fine but

798
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,200
it's a weird way to make that point you

799
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:05,679
know and admiral wilson's always denied

800
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,400
it happened hasn't he yes but you would

801
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,320
because especially the claims within

802
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,240
those documents talking about crash

803
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,080
retrieval programs and this is something

804
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,120
that that infamous second new york times

805
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,799
article was always

806
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,960
fated or claimed to have potentially

807
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,799
within it and it didn't happen

808
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:24,960
it probably would have largely been down

809
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,440
to the wilson davis

810
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:29,600
memos and what may or may not have been

811
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,159
within those so um however

812
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:34,559
that has now been submitted for public

813
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,520
record

814
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:36,960
within the

815
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,559
which is crazy because i think it's one

816
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:42,320
of those things if someone said if i

817
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:43,760
tweeted last night dan and said to the

818
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:44,799
public

819
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:49,039
people who are tweeting you know do you

820
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,399
think we will hear about the wilson

821
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:52,720
davis memo i think it would have been a

822
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:55,360
resounding no like not a chance no way

823
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:56,080
they're going to talk about it

824
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,520
definitely i voted

825
00:28:01,510 --> 00:28:00,320
on that yeah um but yeah that's why i

826
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:01,520
wouldn't have even thought of putting

827
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,799
that in there never for a i thought

828
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,480
roswell would have been more likely than

829
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,559
the wilson davis memo to be brought up

830
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:10,320
yeah so i mean it was mentioned roswell

831
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,840
got mentioned

832
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,919
yeah i think mostly

833
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:15,360
he said yeah people you know talk about

834
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,919
roswell and stuff so yeah not not

835
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,919
completely in a ways if you came up with

836
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,840
a drinking game for this you would have

837
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,919
been absolutely smashed by the halfway

838
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:25,679
point um but yeah i thought that was

839
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,640
fascinating and i think there's

840
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,720
definitely more to come from that that's

841
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,640
an informed

842
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:33,039
and informed thing to bring up that's

843
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,399
not uh off the cuff or nuclear sight

844
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,320
incident or you know that's that's

845
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,399
pretty out there that's a

846
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,799
curveball to throw in um for any

847
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,399
conversational point even if it was to

848
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,559
be shot down straight away so

849
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,320
i'd be really interested to see where

850
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,320
mike gallagher keeps going with us

851
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,360
um because it's a big thing to bring up

852
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:54,960
he seems to know

853
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,600
the answers that he wants right um and

854
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:59,039
he doesn't seem to be letting up he

855
00:29:01,590 --> 00:29:00,640
seemed to get visibly annoyed that they

856
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,600
weren't

857
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,440
saying these things so whether he knows

858
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:05,120
and he knows they're being dishonest or

859
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,320
whether he's just fed up at the run

860
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,559
around uh i don't know but he yeah he he

861
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:10,559
did a great job there was a weird bit

862
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:14,480
with uh it was mr lahood um

863
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,200
where they were talking about

864
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,360
the consequences of putting out fake uap

865
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,600
reports and it got a little strange like

866
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,080
talking about messenger information like

867
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:27,279
how liable for putting out

868
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,159
so

869
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,399
it made me think like what if if i'm

870
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,799
near a nuclear site and i see a drone or

871
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,880
i see a uap over it and i report it i'm

872
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,960
gonna get arrested like what that

873
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,480
doesn't make sense in reducing the

874
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:40,799
stigma and stuff like that that's not

875
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,600
the way i read it oh god

876
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,880
so

877
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,720
i've got down and i've only heard it

878
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:48,720
once and again this might be totally

879
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,520
wrong

880
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,200
yeah moultrie was asked about what's

881
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:53,360
being done to hold people accountable in

882
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:56,559
terms of misinformation being put out

883
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:57,600
and

884
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:02,950
people like

885
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,320
susan go and the the email stuff and if

886
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:08,960
people are lying about people's roles

887
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,720
within ata or osap or does it go as far

888
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,960
as as not to name names what people are

889
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,440
saying online about other individuals

890
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,760
that they could be held accountable

891
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,760
if they're deliberately lying and does

892
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,840
it go as far as that so

893
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,360
i i didn't really take away the

894
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,440
reporting side of i cannot almost a

895
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,159
slander or you know libel law in the uk

896
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,919
that's what i was thinking and i was

897
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:32,960
like is this what they're kind of

898
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,600
getting at where if you're obfuscating

899
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,360
the truth by deleting people's emails

900
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,360
and lying about their role and and all

901
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:41,039
that kind of stuff

902
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,919
stop

903
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,600
yeah yeah that's what i was kind of

904
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,440
thinking no i mean that that would be

905
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,960
great and i i hope that i misheard and

906
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,559
that's exactly what it was because we

907
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:50,000
need that and it would be great to have

908
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,840
that law in place because maybe maybe

909
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,840
susan goff would you know just think

910
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,000
twice before sending that email

911
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:58,000
yeah um big statement one of the big

912
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,679
statements for me and it was a bit of a

913
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:01,279
throwaway folks and i'm paraphrasing

914
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,120
again was uh mr welsh is mentioning

915
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,880
about you know different potentials of

916
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,480
what some of these things may or may not

917
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,880
be and he gives a throwaway line of you

918
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,640
know it's not entirely impossible that

919
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,640
some extraterrestrial life is visiting

920
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:16,240
us from somewhere else

921
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:17,840
and i thought that was an incredible

922
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,240
statement to make and let's preface for

923
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,559
before anyone gets upset we are not

924
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,120
saying he was 100 saying we have

925
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,440
extraterrestrial life visiting us but

926
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,360
even just an off-the-cuff comment in

927
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,279
that setting to say you know it's not

928
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:33,919
entirely impossible that we have some

929
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,120
form of alien life visiting us and

930
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,640
compare that some of these

931
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,640
neil degrasse tyson oh i was going to

932
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,880
say that you know like

933
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,559
the here is an official who's actually

934
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:46,640
open-minded and you know i don't know if

935
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,679
he's been following the james webb

936
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,200
telescope and he knows that those images

937
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:51,120
are coming and you know our capabilities

938
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,640
are about to get a massive bump up in

939
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,760
terms of

940
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,080
detecting life and different things or

941
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,480
signatures of life i should say um

942
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,399
but it just goes to show that

943
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:02,159
you know it was carl sagan way back when

944
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,360
they probably would have said something

945
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:05,279
like that whereas now the science

946
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,039
communicators are really close-minded

947
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,840
yet the official there is he he kind of

948
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,760
portrays the the general feeling in the

949
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,440
public that it's inevitable we're gonna

950
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:15,200
find life elsewhere now you know the

951
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,559
ultra planets have gone from zero to

952
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,039
five thousand and yeah you know many

953
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:21,200
years ago i say many probably like ten

954
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,559
years ago we probably would have thought

955
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:24,320
they were zero and people would laugh

956
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,519
that for saying that they would be

957
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:27,760
exoplanets so here we are

958
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:29,919
neil degrasse tyson's the creator of the

959
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:32,640
hayden planetarium in new york i believe

960
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,519
still

961
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,519
and i can just imagine

962
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,880
yeah

963
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:38,159
i imagine

964
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,360
young children looking through

965
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,440
telescopes in there and looking at the

966
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,960
wonders of the universe and seeing the

967
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,360
rings of saturn and degrasse tyson just

968
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,679
walks by and goes it gets a bit boring

969
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:49,120
after a while you know yeah he called

970
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:50,080
the

971
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,600
recently uh yeah i think that was last

972
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,880
night or the night before yeah he called

973
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,360
that boring yeah just like who hurt you

974
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:59,519
man like i loved going out and watching

975
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,559
that and i had to get up at three

976
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,840
o'clock to do it in the morning and it

977
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,679
was just it was wonderful i think the

978
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,360
problem is it's like he was in love with

979
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,960
a planet and another planet has taken it

980
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,720
away from him and he just he's just

981
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,120
really really bad about it now but yeah

982
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,960
it's it's a disappointing take but we've

983
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,480
got brian cox doing the same here in the

984
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,279
uk so yeah yeah by name by nature as

985
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,039
they say um

986
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,360
and just kind of wrapping up carson asks

987
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,440
of some of these uap maybe secret u.s

988
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:24,960
programs that was something we touched

989
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,679
on earlier the u.s on us or blue on blue

990
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,440
and can they be sure the u.s isn't

991
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:31,440
chasing its own tale i would imagine

992
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,960
that'll be something discussed further

993
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,360
within the classified section

994
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,519
um anything else done before i ask you

995
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,600
about your big takeaways

996
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:41,919
there was some conversation around the

997
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,630
to to compete in

998
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:48,559
you know reasons for being in terms of

999
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,679
the aoi msg and what the mission is and

1000
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:53,279
that was basically that they said on one

1001
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,559
hand you've got

1002
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:56,399
this research that may represent

1003
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:58,159
something incredible

1004
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,840
and you'd want to communicate that in

1005
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,279
the right ways and get the right experts

1006
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,960
to look at that and so on so forth but

1007
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,799
then on the other side your actual duty

1008
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,200
in the dod is to

1009
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,520
look after national security and to look

1010
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,119
after our senses and not really talk

1011
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,800
about these things openly and it was

1012
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,639
when they kind of spoke about that that

1013
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,639
i thought you know what i think they're

1014
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:18,159
very publicly

1015
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,679
saying that they either need a separate

1016
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,399
office

1017
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:22,960
to start talking about you know the the

1018
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,389
oh they're basically saying that

1019
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,000
whatever office we have to look at this

1020
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:31,760
cannot be housed inside the dod because

1021
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:34,800
the mission is just against what

1022
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,560
the the other outcome could be you know

1023
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,079
just before i ask you if you're a big

1024
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,919
takeaway then i've got something i want

1025
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:43,760
to discuss and it's something

1026
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:45,200
i was tweeting someone about one of the

1027
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:46,240
listeners

1028
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:47,200
and

1029
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,320
do you feel the fact that the air force

1030
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,639
and others were not there are involved

1031
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,399
not that they had to be at this point

1032
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,320
and serve as somewhat of a warning to

1033
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,560
them and it's a chance that they need to

1034
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,800
be more forthcoming in the background or

1035
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,720
next time they could be the folks in

1036
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,440
those hot seats having to either lie in

1037
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:07,520
front of congress

1038
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:08,480
or

1039
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:12,000
a very public setting

1040
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,839
yeah absolutely um

1041
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:15,680
there was some talk about kind of access

1042
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,240
to classified data and sap programs and

1043
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,760
it made me wonder if you know there were

1044
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,280
maybe other programs that do have that

1045
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,200
designation that they can look at that

1046
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,839
data um but yeah the air force has been

1047
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,839
absent from this conversation

1048
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,280
we've seen some names kind of peppered

1049
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,520
in here and there on on signing you know

1050
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:33,599
memorandums and things like that but by

1051
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,720
and large

1052
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,560
there are some some

1053
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:38,160
definite silences from certain

1054
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,520
organizations

1055
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:41,520
that

1056
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,640
according to places like politico they

1057
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,040
you know they may be kind of internally

1058
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,280
squabbling over what they should release

1059
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,000
uh and and it's real interesting because

1060
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,400
this is clearly a bipartisan issue today

1061
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:56,400
we had like six people from each party

1062
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,640
in america grilling these two guys who

1063
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:02,160
i mean

1064
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,280
to me it looked like they were peeing

1065
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:04,800
into the wind you know like a lot of

1066
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:07,760
people are disappointed by this but they

1067
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,800
they looked

1068
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,800
panicked and like they even though they

1069
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,720
were briefed by the uaptf they weren't

1070
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,160
prepared for all of the questions that

1071
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,520
they were asked and there's a lot of

1072
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,240
data that they're not being given so

1073
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,920
this this hearing

1074
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,320
stands very much as a kind of

1075
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:24,880
example that they can't really do what

1076
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,000
congress has asked them to do so we need

1077
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,079
some movement in legislation or some

1078
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,560
movement in people or something to

1079
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,760
actually start getting to the bottom of

1080
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,960
this issue and getting access to the

1081
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,880
data that's historical through places

1082
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,560
like the air force

1083
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:40,800
this may change but as it stands a few

1084
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,640
hours after the hearings are finished

1085
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,400
what is your what's your big takeaway

1086
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,520
from from what we've got today

1087
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:49,359
i mean personally i'm i'm loving how

1088
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,400
many people are joining this

1089
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,920
conversation now

1090
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,160
you know i i'm not entirely convinced

1091
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,240
that you and i will

1092
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:58,160
witness who's inside these craft or

1093
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:59,760
necessarily you know if they're not from

1094
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:01,119
here see their homeworld or something

1095
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:02,000
like that

1096
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,040
but

1097
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,000
this for me is the start of a snowball

1098
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:08,000
that that is just going to get bigger

1099
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,520
and bigger we've already seen some of

1100
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,200
the politicians very annoyed and very

1101
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,599
angry about what they experienced today

1102
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,880
and it's just going to lead to them

1103
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,800
asking more questions the public are

1104
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:18,000
going to be intrigued and they're going

1105
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,440
to be asking more questions of their

1106
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:21,200
officials we have another election

1107
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:22,480
coming up this is starting to become a

1108
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,599
big issue

1109
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:25,839
so i i think that these hearings are

1110
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,720
just one of the first of many and if

1111
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,920
people are frustrated or they have

1112
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,520
questions that didn't get answered that

1113
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,680
they really want answered you know hold

1114
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:35,920
on to your butts because we're gonna get

1115
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,839
more opportunities and

1116
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:39,520
different officials asking different

1117
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,640
things uh this is a sea change

1118
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,400
for me what i mentioned earlier about

1119
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,160
the the language and terminology that

1120
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,320
was used straight away and this it

1121
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,400
sounded more like questions that we

1122
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,720
would write down and ask congress rather

1123
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,800
than what congress men and women would

1124
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:55,920
be asking

1125
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,240
on a panel on you know live on a live

1126
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:00,560
broadcast and an official settings i

1127
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,240
thought that was really interesting and

1128
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:05,040
very promising for for going forward

1129
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,480
interesting you mentioned obviously it's

1130
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:08,160
the first step and i think for a lot of

1131
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,280
us it was

1132
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,000
tempering expectations um

1133
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,320
i put a quick poll a couple of hours ago

1134
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,480
are you satisfied with satisfied with

1135
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,200
the first congressional uap hearing and

1136
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:21,440
21 said yes

1137
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,119
53 have said no and almost 25 are still

1138
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,960
undecided so

1139
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,560
there's there's a mix i think of

1140
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,400
unsatisfied in terms of they weren't

1141
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:32,880
happy with what was asked which i think

1142
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:35,280
is come on reflect on that i'm never

1143
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,800
going to tell people like we always say

1144
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,920
make up your own mind and your own

1145
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,119
opinion but

1146
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,280
that that was good people for for what

1147
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:43,280
you could have expected if someone go

1148
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,720
back to yesterday and list all the

1149
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,480
things we've talked about if someone has

1150
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:47,920
said you would get that you would have

1151
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,000
said no way so

1152
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:52,320
perspective i i think you've got to be

1153
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,760
at least somewhat satisfied on

1154
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:55,920
reflection but yeah people are allowed

1155
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,960
their own their own thoughts and

1156
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,640
opinions i've seen some people saying

1157
00:39:01,829 --> 00:39:00,320
that chris malone and lou alexander have

1158
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,839
failed as if

1159
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,440
time has stopped and they can't do

1160
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,960
anything more and people can't ask more

1161
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:06,480
questions i think that's a really weird

1162
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,680
and strange take uh no one's failed

1163
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,240
no one's right no one's wrong right now

1164
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,079
uh you know this is start of a process

1165
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,079
and it's awesome there's beginning

1166
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,160
but to be fair it's got to get to a

1167
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,400
point where it doesn't rely on chris

1168
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,240
melon and louis elizondo because if they

1169
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:24,240
stop exactly tomorrow

1170
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,800
then you can't keep going oh yeah but

1171
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:28,320
lou will do something or chris will do

1172
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,839
something there's there's got to be

1173
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,119
other people and i think that's what

1174
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,960
they're trying to do with people like

1175
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,200
mike gallagher and andre carson and all

1176
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,839
these folks being involved um

1177
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,280
you know

1178
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,119
running it now yeah they're running it

1179
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,960
for themselves i think people need to

1180
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,720
realize that you know louis mellon might

1181
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,119
be around to answer questions but these

1182
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,960
people are fully autonomous people

1183
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,640
they're doing it on their own

1184
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,880
yep especially with where where louis

1185
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:54,560
elizondo and chris melon are now in

1186
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:57,440
terms of political power and political

1187
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,560
sway

1188
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,839
they don't really have that because

1189
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,520
they're not in those roles anymore so

1190
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,000
the people who can actually short of lu

1191
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,760
telling us what he knows or chris male

1192
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:07,280
and telling us what he knows which isn't

1193
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,560
going to happen

1194
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,400
this is the best chance for

1195
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:12,400
progress and long-term progress on the

1196
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,839
subject and that's what they have done

1197
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:15,520
is to move that ball

1198
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,079
further down the court um

1199
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,000
in the field i suppose chris allen

1200
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,760
posted a comment to twitter um that i

1201
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,359
think summed up pretty nicely he said

1202
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,119
that was a frustrating hearing as well

1203
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,000
as a reminder of both how far we've come

1204
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,920
and how far we still have to go and and

1205
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,680
i think that's pretty spot on to be

1206
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,760
honest i've got a few tweets from from a

1207
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,040
few people here i'm going to read out

1208
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,839
just a second i just want to again like

1209
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,560
chris melon has said there

1210
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:42,400
i watched the

1211
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,520
the last half of the hearings on youtube

1212
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,680
and i walked into the sitting room and

1213
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:49,440
my wife who knows what i do she knows

1214
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:52,240
about the podcast obviously um say hello

1215
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,400
to susan fox but hey susan yeah she um i

1216
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:58,079
i left the room watching that and i

1217
00:41:02,230 --> 00:40:59,359
walked into the sitting room where she

1218
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,240
had court tv on watching the johnny depp

1219
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:04,319
and amber heard case

1220
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,599
now we were quite excited about 20 or 30

1221
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:08,960
000 people watching the the

1222
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,160
congressional hearing live on youtube

1223
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,800
there will be millions around the world

1224
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:17,440
watching johnny depp and amber heard

1225
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,119
that's where this conversation's still

1226
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,440
at folks so we have got excited about

1227
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:23,520
today this was never going to be about

1228
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,640
the even

1229
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,960
not the world but the us public waking

1230
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,960
up to everyone being involved in that i

1231
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,079
would still

1232
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,319
bet every single penny i haven't ever

1233
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:34,000
make that today there is still far more

1234
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:35,760
interest

1235
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,319
in the general public sense of

1236
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:39,839
johnny depp and amber heard's court

1237
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:42,640
trial than there is on uap hearings

1238
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,599
going on in congress so i sadly agree

1239
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,280
with you there

1240
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:49,119
it's it's true though it's changing and

1241
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:50,400
and

1242
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,280
you know

1243
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,359
johnny depp i think is an amber their

1244
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,680
kind of escapism i i think in a way a

1245
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:57,119
lot of people see this uap stuff and

1246
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,400
they switch off because they just they

1247
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,000
don't have time to kind of under get the

1248
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,160
nuances and and really spend time

1249
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:04,000
drilling down you know people there's an

1250
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,599
investment you have to go back and

1251
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,440
research and go right wait a minute and

1252
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,880
it's the conversations we've all had

1253
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,960
isn't it of oh but what about roswell

1254
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,640
right forget roswell forget all that

1255
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,079
stuff what about now here's what's

1256
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,240
happening and it's a lot to give to

1257
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,400
people to take on board and

1258
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:20,000
the people getting in touch with us dan

1259
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:21,040
and saying that they listened to the

1260
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,800
podcast a while ago or they heard

1261
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,640
theories of everything or they heard

1262
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,800
their favor on rogan all that kind of

1263
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:29,040
stuff have spent time getting back into

1264
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,560
the subject listening to podcasts

1265
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,160
reading blogs

1266
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,079
getting involved on twitter instagram

1267
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,000
tech talk all that kind of stuff it's

1268
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,480
not just uh oh the uap congress

1269
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,839
congressional hearings are on i'm going

1270
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:41,200
to sit and watch that

1271
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,720
i don't think that's the interest that's

1272
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,640
going to be there quite yet so i thought

1273
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:46,400
it was an interesting and down-to-earth

1274
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:48,079
juxtaposition again i'm using that word

1275
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:49,280
to go from

1276
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:50,800
the room i was in to next door and my

1277
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:52,160
wife's watching johnny depp and amber

1278
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:53,839
heard on court tv

1279
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:56,480
it is however the the if you look at the

1280
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,790
intelligence select too many words yeah

1281
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,800
that place yeah if you go on youtube and

1282
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,240
you find the live stream of it uh you

1283
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,680
can see that it's already the most

1284
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,599
popular video on that channel and that

1285
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,040
channel has been going for many many a

1286
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,960
year so it just to gauge the public

1287
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,359
interest there um you know people people

1288
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,640
are interested uh we just need to enable

1289
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:20,560
the right people to keep pushing this

1290
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,599
lever and and i think we have that

1291
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:25,040
yeah you mentioned just to finish up

1292
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,960
folks on those tweets chris mellon like

1293
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,640
dan said that was a frustrating hearing

1294
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,480
as well as a reminder both of how far

1295
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,480
we've come and how far we still have to

1296
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:34,880
go uh sean cahill followed that up with

1297
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,599
this is a pragmatic takeaway um we have

1298
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:39,599
never been here before expectations must

1299
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,680
be managed while realistic data-driven

1300
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,599
programs and leadership have time to

1301
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,680
catch up we have leaders fighting for

1302
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:48,240
truth and in the open asking the right

1303
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:49,359
questions

1304
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:52,240
uh jeremy corbell dear ufo twitter

1305
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,000
hellfire missiles have been deployed

1306
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,480
upon the ufo topic sent to ignite and

1307
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,400
weaponize your curiosity regarding this

1308
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,240
ever-expanding universe of ufo

1309
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,040
understanding and confirmation buckle up

1310
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:04,880
strap and get ready for some atomic

1311
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:07,760
kinetic action number one to jeremy to

1312
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,800
mix as well

1313
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,319
crazy

1314
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,839
george knapp said that was a lot to

1315
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,599
unpack from the ufo hearing this

1316
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,440
congressman and he means mike gallagher

1317
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,119
has done his homework asking about the

1318
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:18,960
maelstrom incursion involving disabled

1319
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,440
nukes and brackets dod seemed strangely

1320
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,400
clueless about it and republican tim

1321
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,960
butcher on twitter said the ufo hearing

1322
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:29,119
this morning was a total joke we should

1323
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,400
have heard from people who could talk

1324
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,240
about things they'd personally seen but

1325
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,839
instead the witnesses were government

1326
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,280
officials with limited knowledge who

1327
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,359
couldn't give real answers to serious

1328
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:39,839
questions and then afterwards in a video

1329
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,720
of that

1330
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,160
imagine fravor was in that hearing you

1331
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,760
know imagine we saw those gimbal videos

1332
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:46,000
and had ryan graves talking about it and

1333
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,520
explaining the flight path and what

1334
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:50,079
happened with the actual radar data

1335
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,599
different conversation then

1336
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,000
gabby schwartz if you follow gabby nbc

1337
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,960
uh he shared a video of tim butcher

1338
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:59,440
after that's doing their own online and

1339
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,880
tim burchard says himself there are

1340
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,640
better videos taken from pilot's wing

1341
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,640
cameras that they should be showing so i

1342
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,119
imagine tim butcher has seen or is very

1343
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,599
well aware of specific right those yeah

1344
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:11,119
it's pretty much you know like yeah they

1345
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,640
filmed a tic tac off his wing you might

1346
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:13,920
as well watch that

1347
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,640
so

1348
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,880
yeah interesting and uh

1349
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,240
these are the people that are frustrated

1350
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:21,119
but hopefully keep pushing this forward

1351
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,480
so dan

1352
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,079
what now we've had the congressional

1353
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,150
and so i mean

1354
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,680
we're gonna probably see a lot of

1355
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,359
fallout from that in the next week or

1356
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,520
you know the short term future i i would

1357
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,560
expect more hearings coming uh

1358
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:38,400
more questions being asked

1359
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,599
we're going to see the name change of

1360
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,760
the office and who knows fingers crossed

1361
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:43,520
hopefully we'll see it moved out of

1362
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,960
there or even some other departments i.e

1363
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,280
nasa or someone like that starting their

1364
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,760
own uap programs within their kind of

1365
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:54,000
remit because they are an educational

1366
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,520
facing you know public-facing

1367
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,800
organization it would make a lot more

1368
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,800
sense for them to talk about uh

1369
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,119
non-human intelligence

1370
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,440
absolutely dan late in the week we'll do

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00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,359
a breakdown talk about a few news points

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i've got a few things to to bring up and

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uh

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next week on monday i'll have an

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interview probably a shorter one 30 40

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minutes with brandon fugal owner of

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skinwalker ranch got some questions to

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put to him

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i'll be certainly asking about the

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congressional hearings today and some of

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00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,560
his thoughts on those as well and we've

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00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,440
also got our aerial skill phenomenon

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00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,920
documentary review that will come out

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00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,760
towards the end of next week

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00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,359
i'm writing saying the documentary

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00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,200
itself comes out in three days is at the

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end of this week the 20th of may that's

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right 20th yeah

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00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,319
cool so again we'll give our honest

1390
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:40,240
thoughts on aerial school phenomenon

1391
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,839
documentary i think we said if you've

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00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:43,359
listened to the or watched the ten in

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00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:47,040
the sky one um we felt it was certainly

1394
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,000
a more enjoyable watch than a tear in

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00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,960
the sky and thank you to um

1396
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,960
the uapx crew who many of them have

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00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,800
commented to say they felt a review was

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very fair and honest so we appreciated

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that because we're not going to lie

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about stuff so yeah um thanks gentlemen

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00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,760
for for that but yes dan until until

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00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,599
next time thank you

1403
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,599
thank you it's uh it's been a historic

1404
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,640
day and just a thank you to sean rash uh

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00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:14,000
jay king

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00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,599
vinnie priscilla

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00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,760
uh kate i

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00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,680
graham i'm sure there's er nathan as

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00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,440
well uh basically we all did a live

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00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,960
stream and it was really cool to kind of

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00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,800
be with a bunch of like-minded people

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00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,400
watching this and experiencing it when i

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00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,680
think of this in decades i'll think of

1414
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,440
those guys so thank you guys uh it was

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00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,440
really cool and thank you to amber

1416
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:33,280
harden johnny depp for giving my life

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00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,559
something else to watch while i was

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00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,319
watching the historical hearings as well

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so until next time folks thanks for

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listening

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00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,440
that is all for this week's show thank

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00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,440
you very much for listening please

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1434
00:48:14,530 --> 00:48:11,520
and again folks as always keep looking

1435
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:14,540
up you never know what you might see

1436
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:36,230
he made it an issue i don't think he

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[Music]

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cuz

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00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:17,109
my boys they thought this was noise they

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00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:39,910
[Music]

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00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:45,350
and what's that

1442
00:50:22,069 --> 00:49:49,829
[Music]

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00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:22,079
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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saucer

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do